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    Scale Change Mid Line Sets

    One of the most annoying things that occurred with the whole Axis & Allies Miniatures line was the change in scales, several sets in.

    A&AM was sold in sets of a certain number of miniatures per set (anywhere up to 60 miniatures)....in Booster Packs. As an aside, I personally hate the booster pack sales ploy, because you accumulate a ton of duplicates. They make it sound cool that you don't now what you're going to get
    (other than at least one Rare unit) in a booster pack (in this case, I believe it was 9-miniatures per booster), but it's just a big money pit operation. But to digress....it took fives sets in over several years for them (Avalon Hill/Wizards of the Coast) to figure out that they should be making these puppies in 15mm, like Battlefront's Flames of War (the big dog on the block at that time). A&AM miniatures were noticeably smaller in the vehicles, in these early sets.


    The game started out with vehicle scale in the 10-12mm range and was changed to a more standard 15 mm scale about halfway through.


    • Sets that contain 10-12mm vehicles are: The Base Set, Set II, Contested Skies, D-Day, Reserves.
    • Set VI and on that contain 15mm vehicles are: 1939-45, North Africa, Eastern Front, Early War and Counter Offensive.


    There was a total of ten expansion booster sets issued. Note - Only the Vehicle scales were changed and all Soldier, Artillery and Planes remain unchanged for all ten sets.

    Both scales are legal and acceptable to be played in tournaments and matches (...if you can find any going on anymore
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    Having said all that, they had reprinted some, but not all of the 10-12mm vehicles into 15mm in the last five sets. The 6th set (1939-1945) was kind of a reprint of the base set, but with 15mm vehicles and vanilla infantry.

    There were two starter sets. The first with 10-12mm mini's in a cardboard box and the second in a box but with the mini's in a blister pack on the front.
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    Starter Sets

    • Base Starter Set: Released in the fall of 2005, contained 12 randomly selected units, four double-sided battle mats, 10 six-sided dice, a rulebook, and a set checklist.
    • Two-Player Starter Set: Contained 18 randomized units, 6 double-sided battle maps, and rulebook. Dice not included.
    • 1939–1945 Two-Player Starter Set: Includes basic and advanced rule book, 10 pre-selected units (from 1939–1945 set), two double-sided maps, a rulebook, and eight dice.

    Boosters

    • Base Set: Basic set of 48 models, released in the fall of 2005
    • Set II: Set of 45 models, released near the end of 2005. Introduces Nationalist China, Poland, and Romania units, as well as new elements such as snipers and paratroops
    • Contested Skies: Set of 45 models (Set III), released on March 24, 2006. Features aircraft and air defenses as well as a single Australian unit
    • D-Day: Set of 45 models (Set IV), released on June 6, 2006. Introduces obstacles as well as Canadian units
    • Reserves: Set of 45 models (Set V), released on November 10, 2006. Introduces support and Hungarian units
    • 1939–1945: Set of 60 models (Set VI), released on October 26, 2007. Mainly an "errata" expansion: recosted some units and changed others slightly. New scale for vehicles (15mm instead of 10mm).
    • North Africa 1940–1943: Set of 60 models (Set VII), released on March 28, 2008. Added commander vehicles, trucks and added Greek units
    • Eastern Front 1941–1945: Set of 60 models (Set VIII), released on December 16, 2008. Added Finnish units
    • Early War 1939–1941: Set of 50 models (Set IX), released on December 15, 2009. Introduces units from Belgium, Slovakia and South Africa
    • Counter Offensive 1941–1943: Set of 50 models (Set X), released on October 26, 2010. Introduces units from the Independent State of Croatia, New Zealand, and Yugoslav Partisans

    Canceled Sets

    • Set XI-Late War 1944-1945: Canceled set of 50 models.
    • Italy and the Balkans 1943–1945: Canceled set of 60 models.
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    Nice run down Em. I wish they would of kept making them, Wizards may have missed something with cancelling them. It's like they never really tried to build any enthusiasm for there own product

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagen View Post
    Nice run down Em. I wish they would of kept making them, Wizards may have missed something with cancelling them. It's like they never really tried to build any enthusiasm for there own product
    Thanks!

    Yeah, I agree whole heartedly with your statements....the Axis & Allies Miniatures land units were very nice units, and the rulesets (Basic and Advanced) had some decent strength to them. It was far from Flames of War difficulty, but that's what made the system great, to me....it was accessible and fun, and fast play.

    When the War at Sea line came out, I will still stand behind my feelings that they are one of the best naval miniatures you could find out on the market (except from the small ships that tended to bow), and was at a price pont that was very approachable, compared to the other naval miniatures lines. I think that's where Wizards REALLY fumbled the ball, as they could have really made a killing with these.

    When I saw they were no longer doing the convention circuit with tournaments, I knew the end was near.


    It's something, though....Wizards did the same thing Battlefront did with Flames of War, which is piss off its consumer base with not fully supporting the line. I think MultiMan Publishing does the same thing with its ASL crowd, and the only thing saving them is the rabidness of the gamers to have this system alive, despite lack of adequate stocking and over-priced product.


    What I find completely baffling is Bolt Action, where now everyone that plays WWII is drooling over 28mm! I'm just waiting for 2020, when WWII battles will be fought with 1/35 scale models!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiterook View Post
    What I find completely baffling is Bolt Action, where now everyone that plays WWII is drooling over 28mm! I'm just waiting for 2020, when WWII battles will be fought with 1/35 scale models!!!
    Didn't H G Wells start this out with 54mm or 1/32 scale? So maybe everything is just coming full circle. I belong to a fb group called A Gentleman's War where they use 54mm, battles are fought on a board laid out in a grid pattern. Mainly 18th century stuff but interesting. The group name comes from the rule set used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagen View Post
    Didn't H G Wells start this out with 54mm or 1/32 scale? So maybe everything is just coming full circle. I belong to a fb group called A Gentleman's War where they use 54mm, battles are fought on a board laid out in a grid pattern. Mainly 18th century stuff but interesting. The group name comes from the rule set used.
    Yeah...I forgot about that! He developed what appears to be the first, or one of the first wargame rules that I know of, where he used toy soldiers on dioramas built on the parlor floor! It was early turn of the century, to my recollection (I could look it up, but I’m lazy today, haha), when lots of little boys (usually, from well to do families, mostly) played with metal miniatures of fairly large scale, so I would estimate that your scale is correct. There was an actual book he wrote, IIRC, but I never saw it. It would be interesting to see how much of what we know of wargaming has its genesis from that book!
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    HG Wells book Little Wars was a free download from somewhere, can't remember where though. Pretty famous drawing of him playing on the floor, glad we use tables now!! I always wanted AH game Jutland until I found out that was a floor game. I would definitely need some cushions thrown down these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagen View Post
    HG Wells book Little Wars was a free download from somewhere, can't remember where though. Pretty famous drawing of him playing on the floor, glad we use tables now!! I always wanted AH game Jutland until I found out that was a floor game. I would definitely need some cushions thrown down these days.
    I didn’t know that about Jutland! ...I remember that catching my eye, too. On the download, I seem rating remember seeing that somewhere back in my surfing travels...I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not sitting on a thumb drive somewhere
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